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Greetings, dear forum members!

I've encountered a problem where some players win much more and more often than others. Initially, I thought it was just luck and that some people were getting really fortunate, but I started noticing a pattern. Some players win and lose as expected, while others always win and consistently stay in profit, sometimes even putting the machine in a negative and affecting the entire day's earnings.

At first, I thought it was just my imagination, but after talking with other arcade owners, they've noticed the same trend. Instead of banning these people from playing, I want to figure out how they might be cheating and how to prevent it.

Machines that I figured it out: ultimate firelink, lighting cash (tiki fire game to be specific)
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Re: What is the way people tricking firelink?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2024, 05:18:12 pm »
We started making lists of people, but it isn’t right. It’s gona be the same as shooting any body walking my house without locking my door

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Re: What is the way proffessional cheaters tricking Bally ultimate firelink?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2024, 09:38:44 pm »
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Re: What is the way proffessional cheaters tricking Bally ultimate firelink?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2024, 09:46:06 pm »
Welcome to the New Life Games message forum.

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The main purpose of our site is to help home users of slot machines with repairs, game changes, etc. so that they may use machines for their own personal amusement in their homes.

If you are running a licensed casino, I would recommend consulting with the machine manufacturer and/or the gaming commission that oversees your area with your concerns about games that might have software glitches.

If you are not running a licensed casino, and you are operating slot machines for profit, I don't think this forum is the right place for you.

We do not condone any illegal or gray-area gambling here, and quite frankly it puts this site at risk for potential legal drama if we start offering support for it. Thank you for your understanding and best of luck with your situation.


Greetings. The business I work at is fully licensed, but started bringing negative profitability. All businesses we cooperate with - licensed and insured and we facing with this issue. Repair technician are swinging their arms with a stupid faces like “we don’t know”. Owner of this location trusted Me as supervisor of location figure out if it something that doesn’t have to happen

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Re: What is the way proffessional cheaters tricking Bally ultimate firelink?
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2024, 05:43:38 am »
Where are you located?
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Re: What is the way proffessional cheaters tricking Bally ultimate firelink?
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2024, 06:47:09 am »
If you have the China machines, maybe the problem?

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Re: What is the way proffessional cheaters tricking Bally ultimate firelink?
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2024, 06:25:58 pm »
Greetings. The business I work at is fully licensed, but started bringing negative profitability.

If you are running a licensed casino, I would recommend consulting with the machine manufacturer and/or the gaming commission that oversees your area with your concerns about games that might have software glitches.
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Re: What is the way proffessional cheaters tricking Bally ultimate firelink?
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2024, 09:20:31 pm »
If there is an issue with Fire Link. Contact Light and Wonder. I am sure they would want to hear all about your problems. https://gaming.lnw.com/
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Re: What is the way proffessional cheaters tricking Bally ultimate firelink?
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2024, 10:12:39 am »
First off I know nothing of the machine you have.....
In the old school days of IGT & Bally....

Slugs were a problem. People would get the metal punch outs that roughly weighed the same as a the select coinage.
Machines were upgraded to a coin comparitor which compares the magnetic properties of the sample coin with that of whats inserted.

Next came the issue of stringing. The punters attached a string to a coin. Simply bobbed it in and out of a machine to add credits.
This was corrected by using ABC optics. As the coin passed each optic sensor it had to be going the right direction at the right speed (gravity) otherwise you get a coin in tilt.

The next issue was the use of a light pen to blind the hopper optics - that way as the hopper turned it didn't see all the coins being paid. You had to flash it otherwise if it didn't detect a coin passing parodically it would time out with a hopper empty.

On the cashless machines - people were able to modify a $5 bill with a pencil to make it detect as a $50. It wasn't like they were great artist. i have not seen the sample but apparently it was only a few marks in key places.  Someone from JCM (the makers of the majority of bill validators) proved it could be done. Then the hack got into the wild. The solution was to turn off the acceptance of 50's - that was a simple dip switch on the side of the validator. This was corrected with the next firmware release.

Not sure that any of these are your issue but you might want to review your coin in/out counters,  Whats in your bill validator & hopper before and after a suspect play.

Finally - its common that a "real" slot with a RNG (Random number generator) will go negative - a slot paying 85.9% is not forced to a percentage its just that its been rated as such based on 3 consecutive runs of 10million spins where probability evens the pay out . So the win/loss of a machine is based over a long term basis not a daily or even weekly/monthly/yearly take.








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