Author Topic: My 1st IGT Slot Machine and what I have done so far (Read 14952 times)

therockinelvis · « **Reply #40 on:** June 11, 2018, 01:16:54 am »

Chris, is your wiring going directly to the speakers. The way they are made makes me think they are already powered speakers

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #41 on:** June 11, 2018, 01:30:54 am »

No. Wiring comes out of the top box connector to the LCD and then split.

This topic on the old site may help. There are 2 amplifier chips in the LCD that split signal and then come back out of the LCD and to both speakers. Goes in 2 wires comes out 4 wires (2 per speaker).

The vision LCD is equiped with 2 * TDA7360 which are 22w amplifier chips.

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=printpage;topic=10167.0

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #42 on:** June 11, 2018, 01:38:27 am »

Honestly sound is pretty simple. From MPU to MOTHERBOARD to TOPBOX. It doesnt go through any I/O just J19 I believe (im not looking at my machine) on the motherboard to topbox connector. I think he would at least get mono tones from the speakers if not connected to an amp there should be something at least. I just don't know if the amp in the LCD gives any extra power to power the speakers or if they don't need any extra.

I would like to know where he got power from to power the AMP. Can you take a picture where you plugged into?

Trisail · « **Reply #43 on:** June 11, 2018, 11:33:18 am »

Sound should be easy for sure. The amp and harness looked to be plug and play for my unit. Check my earlier pic of connector plate in top box. Chris your picture of your plate is different. I'll post a pic of amp pcb and harness connectors when I get home tonight. I measured the pins on the 9 pin in the plate, the harness had a 9 pin power plug with 2 wires in it that matched to 13 VDC in my 9 pin in the plate. Speakers in to amp, connector had 6 pin that matched plate connector. Amp out to speakers, two 2 pin connectors plug into speakers. Speakers could be bad, I haven't tested them with a portable player. They do pop when power is applied. Could still be bad. Only thing I saw from print was the stereo connections looked a bit different. I'll look closer at that tonight also. And post the wiring diagram I used.

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #44 on:** June 11, 2018, 01:51:44 pm »

Ok I am going to try and explain this. Its hard to type in words. You have to remember that things are different because I use an LCD and the wiring looks different. It's the same but different.

Its fine that you used the 9 pin MOLEX from the topbox to get power to the 4 pin MOLEX on the AMP. That is correct and fine. My 9 pin has many more wires because it goes to my LCD. I though you used the other wiring harness that's why I was wondering where you plugged it in.

The 8 PIN MOLEX in the topbox is the SOUND.

The 2 pin MOLEX on the AMP is actually SOUND OUT to lower tray speaker. It travels back down from the AMP to the 8 PIN MOLEX to the top box connector. Vision Ready does not use them.

The 4 Pin MOLEX On the AMP is sound out to speakers from the AMP.

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #45 on:** June 11, 2018, 01:56:51 pm »

Here is the Schematic for your AMP. Hope this all helps you. REMEMBER the sound AMP is for use in an s2000 (which uses 6 wires for sound) not a Vision Ready (which uses 2 wires for sound). They are the same but different.

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #46 on:** June 11, 2018, 03:04:09 pm »

Here is one more picture for you. I wanted to stress that things look different, but they are the same. Your topbox connectors compared to mine. I have more wires of course because of the LCD but you will see compared sided to side they are the same. You have a different cutout layout, but they are the same.

The above information will set up your AMP... NOW if your chips, MPU, Motherboard or Speakers are bad then that is another story; however, I know that your amp will be in working order.

Trisail · « **Reply #47 on:** June 11, 2018, 07:24:34 pm »

Let me say this 1st. Every time I power on my machine I get DISPLAY PASSES SELF TEST then DISPLAY'S NETPLEX LINK IS DOWN. I think that is important. I do not know anything about the Netplex (communication?) now or before. I know it is for the display, it says that. What else it does, I have no idea. I believe Netplex talks to the BV and maybe the hopper for all I know. I'm sure I should have mentioned this before the post on June 8th, but the machine worked, as far as I was concerned, figure it out later. It may be later. Any info on that would be great.

As for sound. Chris, thanks for the pics and info. You have a few things that are incorrect, but the gist of what you say is important and true. And I know you know how your machine works. Mine is different, and really is the same, but we will straighten that all out.

First what my machine has, J19 Pins 1&2, go to coin tray speaker, I don't have one. OK. Pins 3&4, no connection from stepper video motherboard, supposed to go to J300? OK. Pins 5&6, from stepper video motherboard Speaker A +/-, ( just like yours, look at the pin numbers stamped on the connector in your top box, 1,2,3 and 4 are easier to see) Pins 7&8, from stepper video motherboard Speaker B +/-. OK. The print you sent of the amp PCB helped, the drawing I used is right, but I wasn't sure until I saw your print.

So, the wiring to the AMP PCB from the stepper video motherboard J19: Let's just do Speaker A. J19 stepper video motherboard pins 1&2 to J19 top box panel connector pins 5&6 to J7 AMP PCB pins 2&3. Signals into AMP PCB correct. Through AMP circuits and out J1 pins 1&2 to the connector to the left speaker in the top box (not powered, just a speaker). That should work. But it is for the coin tray speaker I don't have. So what, I hooked that sound signal to the AMP PCB and it doesn't work. I actually just got done verifying this with the meter too.

So I got the S2000 manual today. I see how the top box speakers are supposed to hook up. From the 486 CPU and the LCD display in the top box. Like yours is wired. I don't have any of that. Plus, I have a Display Netplex Link Is Down when I power up my machine. Maybe I do have a bad MPU PCB. I have a new one coming by Thursday I think, 504B, sound board, sound simm and 363 chips.

Man what a ride. Your right the pictures and notes are easier to see, I won't do that now. I will post the pictures I took of my machine wiring and screenshots of the schematics. I hope all this makes sense to everyone reading. I'm going to wait until I get the new parts and see what happens. I am sure that will fix everything without a doubt. LOL.

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #48 on:** June 11, 2018, 07:30:52 pm »

Im not sure of pin numbers you will have to figure it out. I was calling them from the top right of where it plugs into topbox. I cannot pull my machine apart to get them but it gives you and Idea. Hopefully you get it figured out. As you see in your own picture the wires behind the first reel are not connected to anything. they would have been jumpered together they go from the AMP to the lower tray speaker which is not in use for a vision ready.

Chris

Trisail · « **Reply #49 on:** June 11, 2018, 07:35:48 pm »

Yes. I don't have all the stuff in there. I figured it would be a pain for you to get to it with the display and all.

Here are the other 2 schematics.

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #50 on:** June 11, 2018, 07:53:11 pm »

I edited that reply; hopefully it makes sense. You need to figure out what motherboard you have the one on the backplane. There are many different versions. Vision ready motherboards are different than the newer s2000 vision as far as I know. The pinouts are different. That would help you a lot. They may have changed the motherboard out also. It would help to know exactly which one you have. But with those 4 wires hanging there disconnected this was a Vision Ready machine.

Trisail · « **Reply #51 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:05:48 pm »

I'll look at the mobo. Is the Netplex thing, error, important?

It's right. I think I have an S2000 machine? The manual I got is matching. It's a Vision S2000 right?

Mobo number matches the S2000 manual PCB number.

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #52 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:17:34 pm »

Yes "netplex link is down" is very important. Netplex is IGT's Plug and play platform. It is what sees the spectrum progressive display, the bill validator and such. It could be caused from a number of things. Green varta battery damage is a huge cause just as Therockinelvis said. Here is a link to one of the topics. If you do a search in the main forum IGT s2000 and Vision in the search box type "netplex display is down" you will pull many topics about it.

Here is one link.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=18171.msg97465#msg97465

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #53 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:42:11 pm »

Ill look in the morning and let you know. I can't get to it right now.

Trisail · « **Reply #54 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:45:50 pm »

EDIT: What to you make of this. I am going in after it.

FYI. When I got the machine, the Display didn't show anything. So, the 1st thing I did was check the connectors. the ribbon cable was disconnected to the display from the PCB. It worked and tests OK. But the Netplex is down!

Edit: Now it looks like the flash reflection. Still gonna look into this. It's the door sensor power I believe. That works. Never mind.

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #55 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:54:41 pm »

Let me look in the morning especially about the sound. I was taking pictures in the dark so I did not wake anyone up last night. You may not have to splice anything. Now that I look at the picture that I took there may be 4 speaker and then 4 unused wires jumpered together in the 8pin Molex. It may be completely plug and play to the AMP. I will look in the morning. Everyone is asleep and I can't take stuff out to get a better look.

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #56 on:** June 11, 2018, 09:05:17 pm »

Ok I am sorry. There are "8" wires in the 8 pin sound molex. the harness that came with the AMP plugs in and you don't have to splice anything. Those 2 connectors that are unplugged should be plugged in but it shouldn't make a difference. The bottom row of wires closest to the machine front are to the bottom coin tray which is not in use. that is why they are jumpered together. So your amp should be wired correctly plug and play. Sorry. It's hard to look at stuff in the dark and not wake everyone in the house. I will look in the morning about motherboard number and pinout. Your motherboard is from 1997 So i can almost guarantee we have the same one. Vision Ready was from I believe 1997-1999

I edited above post so anyone that uses this topic for help later on does not get wrong info!

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #57 on:** June 11, 2018, 09:25:36 pm »

Here is the motherboard diagram

J19 4 wires go to the topbox 8 PIN MOLEX for sound. The other 2 wires go to something for the door. None of them go to the lower coin tray. Does your J19 have 8 pins as you said earlier??? your molex is only 6 pins so I am confused

ChrisColumbus · « **Reply #58 on:** June 11, 2018, 09:40:36 pm »

Oh I see what you are doing. That schematic you are looking at is the wrong one. It is for a different machine with a 17" video and speakers. That is the incorrect diagram for your machine. The 2nd diagram is correct from the back of the radisys LCD that was the vision monitor.

Trisail · « **Reply #59 on:** June 12, 2018, 11:08:20 am »

Well finally a bit of good news. Thinking the Netplex error is important I decided to look at the BV. Did research but I know very little about them. Basically cashbox was mentioned a lot and being sure it's in all the way, it was, but the two plastic spring loaded flags, now that is another problem. I was working on it (banging on it) and the motor worked for more than just a slight second. Adjusted the sensor PCB so the flags could work and It took a $20 and 3 ones. It's working. I still have the netplex error and the simplex netplex not working. I'm going to clear/key it tonight and make sure it knows no simplex or progressive and see what that does. Also will check the 5-8 VDC pin on 13V 25V power supply again and recheck the 5 VDC supply in the AC distribution comm box behind the hopper. Thanks. ChrisC. Getting some where anyway, making progress.

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