IGT S+ Haywire DBV HELP, Can’t get it activated

[Tonyscoots]

Hello


Thank you for letting into this forum




I am new to all this but I have been Repairing video arcade games for years, I have a buddy dropped off his igt haywire. I have replaced the pcb, battery and transformer, I also had cleared it out with the 123 chip, the game works great but I can’t get the BV to work! I have went through the options and made sure it’s enabled with the 9-1 and option 27 did lite up the front light and made sure the bill went in and out! I must be missing a easy setup somewhere! I am using a DVB-145 ID 23v 311


Any help would be much appreciate


Thank you
Tony

[jay]

When you ran the clear chip the DBV was disabled.

To enable the DBV - You need a Set Chip.
Basically the S+ works on credits in and is not aware what denomination is being used.
Ie when you drop a coin in - if it matches the sample coin in the comparator it gives you a COIN-IN or credit.
The machine is not aware if this is a penny, dime, quarter or $100 token.

The Set Chip tells the DBV how many credits for $1.
Ie by setting it up as a $0.25 game you are telling the machine to give 4 credits for a $1

On the home page - On the right hand side you will see a section called RICKS FAQ
There is detailed instructions on how to use the set chip.

Any of the vendors on the home page can sell you a S+ set chip.

[rokgpsman]

Another thing to be aware of. The DBV-145 bill validator "head" that is in the machine most likely will only work with $1 bills. As far as I know it never had its internal software updated to recognize and accept the newer-design US bill that have the new security features (large head portrait of president, colored writing added the bill, etc). So even when the DBV-145 is working ok it will only accept $1 bills.

The DBV-200 head is a direct replacement for the DBV-145. And it is a newer model than the DBV-145. The DBV-200 has its internal software updated so that it will accept many more US bills than the DBV-145 does. I think the DBV-200 will accept all but the $100 bill. And it accepts the bill not matter which way you insert it, upside down, backwards, etc. So you may want to get a DBV-200 head and install it to make playing the machine a lot more convenient. The replacement of the DBV is easy, just a couple of mounting screws and wiring cables that plug into its side connectors. If you do this you will want to get a DBV-200 that is made for the IGT S+, that is noted on its sticker that says the "ID-023" information.


PS> Welcome to NLG !   

[sixcardmark]

You must upgrade to a complete wba12 unit for all bills except new 100's which also requires a different power supply. DBV200 does allow for 4 way acceptance but not new 5's or 100's. 

"this post edited to correct errors"

[rokgpsman]

Are we sure about that? I was thinking that many folks here have S+ machines with DBV-200 that work with all bills except the new $100. 

I know the WBA is also a way to upgrade but thought a DBV-200 with the last JCM software release does nearly all bills too.

[jay]

The dbv200 and WBA series are technically capable of accepting all bills.
The Dbv145 were not updated for any of the new money. If you are changing out the 145head make sure you get a dbv200 power supply with the new Head as the 145 does not have the amperage for reliable use. The dbv200 power supply has air vents in it. The 145 does not. Other than that they look identical.



The dbv200 do not have the magnetic security sensor that wba models do so you won’t see these heads used in the US casino market.


Specific to the S+ IGT did not pay JCM (the manufacturer of the DBV and WBA) for the new bill designs as it pertains to protocol 022:023. (s+) They did pay for protocol 024 which is used with S2000. Some speculate that this is IGTs way of trying to kill off the S+ and drive sales of newer machines. You will find that a lot of the Caribbean and other overseas markets still use S+. You can change your bill Head from protocol 22 to 24 by a dip switch. Of course 24 is not recognized by the S+


The $5 while not widely available was released to certain paying customers (for the S+)and like all things digital has leaked so you can find some vendors who might be able to upgrade or sell you a dbv200 Head that takes the new $5. According to a buddy at JCM the new $100 was never created for S+


If you go on YouTube someone had created a protocol converter that converts 24 to 22/23 and will allow a new head that accepts all new bills to be used with S+\PE+. I have never found one and don’t know how much but if you decide to track it down please post.

[rokgpsman]

I've seen the IGT S+ version of DBV-200 upgrade eproms for sale on ebay and elsewhere that will update the DBV-200 up to JCM software ver 2.61, which accepts several of the new-design bills.

Here's an example, notice that it says it is ID-023 that the S+ uses and it works with the new $10, so it will work with the new $20 and the new $50 and the regular old $1, which is all a home user will need.

http://www.jjslots.com/JCM-DBV-200-Upgrade-Chip-V261-ID023-IGT-dbv261.htm

The $50, $20 and $10 bills in circulation now were last changed in 2004, 2003, 2006 respectively.

The $5 was changed in 2008 and the new $100 got changed in 2013. So this DBV-200 software won't accept the new $5 or the new $100. But that's not really a problem, if it takes $20 and $10 bills (and $50) that will get credits put on the machine fast and easy.

This DBV-200 ver 2.61 software has both ID023 and ID022, selectable with a dipswitch. The ID022 was used on older S+ SP chips.

The JCM document for this last IGT S+ software update to the DBV-200 (version 2.61) is attached below:

[Paladin]

I've heard that calibrating the DBV 200 head after updating the software is required, and that it is not required. 
Has anybody upgraded without doing the calibration after, and if so we're were there any issues?  Is it simply a suggestion to prevent any possible problems, or a necessary step?

[rokgpsman]

It's not required. JCM used to suggest it for optimal performance. But you can't get the special calibration cards or cal paper anymore so I think it isn't possible anyway.

[sixcardmark]

I have four dbv200's here and I just tried 2 of them and neither would take the new 5 or 10's.  I will try the other 2 later in a bit but I thought Jim updated all of them to newest software.   

I have been updating s2000's and game kings with MEI's then using the wba12 out of them for s+'s.  Double upgrade.

[rokgpsman]

I have four dbv200's here and I just tried 2 of them and neither would take the new 5 or 10's.  I will try the other 2 later in a bit but I thought Jim updated all of them to newest software.   

I have been updating s2000's and game kings with MEI's then using the wba12 out of them for s+'s.  Double upgrade.

But do they take $20 and $10 and $50?  Like I said earlier (somewhere) the $5 and $100 were changed after the last S+ DBV-200 software release so they aren't going to work. But the $50, $20 and $10, along with $1 should work, if I'm thinking correctly about this.

For WMS machines (ID044) the new purple $5 is accepted but not the new $100.

The WBA upgrade is definitely a way to get acceptance of most/all bills. But for a home user a working DBV-200 that takes a $20 or $50 is usually all they need <opinion>. Is the cost and trouble of the WBA upgrade getting better as time goes by?

Thanks!

[jay]

There are also dip switches that you can turn off particular denominations.
The new $5 & $100 is expected to not work. The $10 should however work.

[rokgpsman]

Jay- I know the Canadian money has changed now but there was a time years before that when DBV-145 and -200 heads took Canadian money. Did you ever deal with that, or just use USA money and USA bill validators?

One of the older machines I have had a Canadian DBV-145 in it, which is a different width than the USA DBV-145.

[jay]

I never bothered converting mine.
Not only do I need different software (that was the easy part)
I also would need a different transport for the wider bills.


I spent my money on a coin (token) rolling Machine.


I found leaving a bucket of coins (or credits) on the Machine people would come up and play a few and then walk away. If I gave them a roll of coins and an empty bucket they would play, and then come back looking for another roll.


The humanities lesson was If there is no sense of loss their is no sense of win.


What I would really like to do is to program the head to take “Monaghan’s Irish bucks”.
Punt Eiteannach or Monopoly money etc and have it give credits based on that.


This way no real money enters the system.

[sixcardmark]

new 10's and 50's don't work on two, haven't tried other two yet, yes 20's work.
edit: got a new 50 to work on one but not a 10.
 got the 4th one to take 10's and 50's.

[rokgpsman]

Do all of your DBV-200 have the same software version? Is it 2.61?

If so then of course they should all take the same bills. Pretty sure the $50 is included (actually you proved that with the 4th DBV-200 you have) but there may be some difficulties with some bills due to condition. Hardly see $50 bills in casino, seems like it's either $20's or $100's when making change. May be a superstition about $50's.

[Paladin]

Is there a way to know the software version aside from the stickers if you don't have the equipment to read the flash type? 

I've got 3 machines with DBV-200 and only one accepts the newer $10's.  It's a flash type labeled as V2.12-04-02 on top. 
Another flash type labeled V2.51 04-03 on top doesn't take them and the third is a socketed EPROM type labeled V2.51 04-03 on the EPROM with V2.33-04 on the top.

Granted my currency test is only the two $10's I have on hand, and I can't remember the last time I had a $50 so I didn't test that.  I'd guess that many were upgraded without getting a new sticker applied.

[rokgpsman]

In general I think you can trust the sticker that is on top of the eprom or flash rom. Not the sticker on top of the DBV-200, that may be for what the original software was and is no longer valid. But a sticker on the eprom or flash rom should be reliable. I suppose someone that does software programming on these bill validators could download the software that is in the eprom/flash rom and compare the checksum to the checksum of the list of available software to verify which version it is.

I don't know if this has been suggested to you but it has been said elsewhere many times. When you are troubleshooting a bill validator that has problems you only want to use a $1 bill until you have proven that the bv is working ok. That way you eliminate the worry of it not accepting a bill because the bv software is older and out of date and not recognizing that particular bill. So just use a $1 until you are satisfied the bv is working properly, then move on to testing what other bills it will accept. Try them in this order - $1, then $20, then $50, then $10. I don't think it will ever accept the new $100 or the new purple colored $5 so forget about them.

The $10 was redesigned not long ago, it may not work with some of the DBV software versions you have now. Use the $1, then $20, then $50, then $10 to figure out what works.

[rokgpsman]

.....I've got 3 machines with DBV-200 and only one accepts the newer $10's.  It's a flash type labeled as V2.12-04-02 on top.

Another flash type labeled V2.51 04-03 on top doesn't take them and the third is a socketed EPROM type labeled V2.51 04-03 on the EPROM with V2.33-04 on the top.

The sticker on top of the bv marked ver 2.12-04-02 is quite old and I don't think it would work with the new $10. Since that bv does take the new $10 then undoubtedly it has had it's software updated, even though there may not be a newer sticker on it that says so. Sometimes the stickers fall off, or the person that does the upgrade doesn't apply a new sticker.

When a bv has 2 stickers then go by the sticker that has the higher ver number, especially if that is the sticker right on top of the eprom or flash rom.

The bv software ver 2.51-04-03 was among the last group of s/w releases and it did add ability to recognize a few of the new style bills at the time. But the $10 was later redesigned so it may not work reliably with ver 2.51 software. The $1 and $20 should work, and I think the $50 too.

The $50, $20 and $10 bills in circulation now were last changed in 2004, 2003, 2006 respectively.

If all of your DBV-200 work ok with a $1 consistently then I'd look into getting all of them updated to the last S+ DBV-200 ID022/023 software. This was ver 2.61-04-03. That will give you the best you can get with the DBV-200. It won't work with the new $100 or the new $5, but all other bills should work. For the bv with eprom it's just a matter of replacing the eprom. For the bv with flash rom you will have to send them to someone that has the JCM flash setup equipment and ver 2.61 software. I think we have folks here on NLG that can do that. If you can't find anyone here that has the updated eprom they are often on ebay or you can get them from this website below:

http://jjslots.com/JCM-DBV-200-Upgrade-Chip-V261-ID023-IGT-dbv261.htm

(I'm not connected to this seller in any way, just pointing out that he does have the eprom)


An alternative is to remove the entire DBV setup and install another type of bill validator system, like a WBA-12. I think that's what sixcardmark has been doing to his machines. That will give you somewhat newer equipment and the ability to accept more bills.

[jay]

If you buy a head with the software it should come to you calibrated.
If your upgrading it yourself you will need to calibrate it.
Calibration is done with a calibration sheet.
The head reads the sheet and something on the sheet tells it is a calibration sheet.
Subsequently it aligns to the symbols on the sheet.