Thanks that is a big help for me and a lot of other people shows clearly where the wires on the plugs and where on the boards thank you thank you thank you but still need to know the name of the plugs Well it's been a while since anybody talk to me about the name of the plugs that I need to make this harness thought I had one but it was for ribbon cable so I guess I'm screwed because nobody wants to tell me anything else I guess it's a big secret what the name of those plugs are and where you can find them but I want to say thanks to the folks who did help thanks again