Author Topic: Upgrade help. (Read 44424 times)

qbert · « **Reply #100 on:** October 16, 2014, 09:31:53 pm »

Don't sweat it plenty of help here.

tomstark22 · « **Reply #101 on:** October 16, 2014, 09:33:55 pm »

That is an understatement you all are life savers

foster · « **Reply #102 on:** October 17, 2014, 07:33:28 am »

If the reel lamp test works with 5 reel lamp controller then you do not need a Cabinet I/O board.

If a I/O board was bad or the like the machine will be showing an error.

The 5 reel boards also work with 4 or 3 reel setups. Use the correct reel harness.
3 reel harness back lit can be used with non back lit reels

5 reel harness must match the reels being used, 5 reel lamp harness for reels for with lamps, and 5 reel LED harness for reels with LED's.
Do not mix them up. LED has a black connector for the back lit controller. 5 reel lamp version is missing the black connector.

3 reel SB chips will work in a 5 reel setup it just ignores the extra reels but you have to leave them in to complete a normally closed loop used to detect a disconnected reel.

I have gone from 3 reel to 5 reel and back a few times without having to clear a machine

The only thing a clear will fix is a configuration that can only be set after a clear.
Accounting denomination being the only I one I have come across.

Yoeddy1 · « **Reply #103 on:** October 17, 2014, 07:48:26 am »

I agree with Rich. At this stage what do you have to lose? Wipe and reload fresh. (Clear/Key)

Jason

foster · « **Reply #104 on:** October 17, 2014, 08:17:09 am »

I am going to say this every time some suggests clearing a S2000.

You DO NOT need to clear a s2000, Lets not open another can of worms for S2000 owners.

It will not fix hardware issues, especially concerning something that is optional and not required for game play.
Back lit reels, audio are optional and not a requirement for a machine to function.

qbert · « **Reply #105 on:** October 17, 2014, 08:30:06 am »

Foster
Look over everything that was done.
Non backlight machine converted to backlight.
Did not work as triple cherry and then as ddh and still no backlight.
His pictures show the correct reel harness so that's not it.
The i/o card I agree is not the issue if it works in test that is why I suggested for Tom to do a clear.
My next recommendation will be to change the mpu.

I never recommend clearing a S2K unless there are really wierd things going on.
Six pages of issue without resolve I define as wierd.

Rich

foster · « **Reply #106 on:** October 17, 2014, 09:28:11 am »

Tom double check your connections to the back lit controller
You should get a ramp up and down on each lamp position in sequence as well during the test.

Also check the fuses on the board with a meter, there are some on the back of the 5 reel LED version

Do not clear it

tomstark22 · « **Reply #107 on:** October 17, 2014, 09:45:42 am »

Let me clarify what it is and isn't doing.

I have a 3 reel machine.

If I have the 5 reel board in and I go to the reel light test it will flash 2 bulbs at a time starting with the top of reel 1 going down then reel 2 then 3. Then a pause for a second and start over.
If I put in the 3 reel board and don't change anything then I get nothing during the test.

I am not sure if a quick flash is what the test is supposed to cause.

I did check the power harness with a meter and (going off memory cause I am at work) I got 12 volts on the red wire and 24 on the orange. I think.

I have never had any other errors or problems with the game.

Pictures of both the backlit boards are above if needed for reference.

foster · « **Reply #108 on:** October 17, 2014, 11:10:21 am »

Do the bulbs just flash quickly in sequence or do you also get a slightly slower ramp up and down on each set of lamps in sequence as well.
if the ramp up (bulbs getting brighter) and ramp down (bulbs dimming) in sequence is missing you may have a blown fuse.
The ramp up and ramp down is slower than the flashes.

Power wise you should have
Red 13V
Orange 25V
The black with red or orange is negative or ground.

tomstark22 · « **Reply #109 on:** October 17, 2014, 12:12:27 pm »

No ramp up on the 5 reel board just flashes like a strobe 2 bulbs at a time. 3 reel nothing. I didn't see any fuses but I will check when I get home.

tomstark22 · « **Reply #110 on:** October 17, 2014, 12:18:01 pm »

Also power plug seems to have correct voltage going to board then.

foster · « **Reply #111 on:** October 17, 2014, 12:22:16 pm »

Fuses are white SMD devices on the back lit board look for 6 of them
Four fuses are on the back or solder side of board if it is the newest version.

WARNING do not try to test the fuses with board powered up.
Remove it from machine and test them using resistance, continuity or diode function of meter.

I use diode with audible beep so I can watch where I am putting test leads.

qbert · « **Reply #112 on:** October 17, 2014, 12:24:57 pm »

After the machine boots up open the door and remove the third reel. Look at the other two reels and see if the six bulbs up front are glowing dimly. They should be. If they are slide the third reel back in place. All reels should jerk and all should have the six bulbs up front glowing dimly on all reels.

Let us know what you find
Rich

tomstark22 · « **Reply #113 on:** October 17, 2014, 03:19:23 pm »

Ok I left work early just to work on this. Here is a link to a video of what the lights do in a test mode with the 5 reel board. Also I checked the white chips on the front of the board for continuity and they are good. Nothing on the back.Pulled the reel and no different.

tomstark22 · « **Reply #114 on:** October 17, 2014, 03:21:17 pm »

video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLhiSTzif34

tomstark22 · « **Reply #115 on:** October 17, 2014, 07:29:17 pm »

Also did a clear. Figured what do I have to lose. Got everything setup and working again..... still no back lights. I did make a mod to my TITO system from Foster today. I gave my player card slot purpose. I have legacy bonus credits assigned to buttons 1 -5 on my keypad but my kids kept running up the credits. So I made it so the keypad is disabled unless you insert a card in the player slot. Then it works normal till you remove it. Any card will work cause it doesn't Read the card. The card just depresses an existing switch when inserted..

foster · « **Reply #116 on:** October 17, 2014, 09:06:44 pm »

Is that the working back light board. or the non working one?

tomstark22 · « **Reply #117 on:** October 17, 2014, 09:17:41 pm »

As far as I know they both work. I haven't got either to work in my machine correctly. The 5 reel gives me the test flashes.

foster · « **Reply #118 on:** October 17, 2014, 10:09:57 pm »

Those are the backs of the 3 reel and 5 reel boards. the fuses are on the front side near the 6 pin power

Only the latest LED/lamp controller board has fuses and components on the back.

I sent you PM so give me a call when you get a chance.

tomstark22 · « **Reply #119 on:** October 20, 2014, 01:37:24 am »

Well chatted with Foster today and we racked our brains but still came up empty....... Then about two hours later I decided to start checking a few things for the 5th time......... Long story short some broken solder joints on the power supply board on the 12 volt pin was the problem. Re-soldered and they work like magic. Here is a pic of the problem. I pointed to it with the pick.

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